I think the Rock Island Line turned out to be the Beat Train, and Leadbelly was left as behind as was Lonnie Donegan by Bob Dylan with the subsequent music. The Very Best Of. He stood at the back with the rhythm section during the jazz numbers, but when he came to the front during the breakdown, he grabbed the audience with his renditions of Lead Belly’s most famous songs, Rock Island Line prominent among them. My credentials for saying what I say are based on the fact that I have liked listening to Lonnie Donegan and Bob Dylan, and found analogies between them. Lonnie Donegan was still in the background on the Animals’ first LP with Bury My Body, a track from the first Rock Island Line EP. Here was a chap who looked the part - open-necked shirt, acoustic guitar, sounding like an American cowboy, singing about railroads. RockIslandLines RockIslandLines@groups.io Group dedicated to the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad, it’s predecessors and successor roads. And probably the two most important things were, 1) how much he (LD that is) wanted to hear it, and 2) how no one else was interested in listening to the same stuff. You’re right Richard it’s the timing (natural) of the Skiffle element and the Blues that made this music. He was still imitating American material though (Old Hannah was Leadbelly) and couldn’t have recorded Blonde On Blonde without writing music of his own. that became the portal to everything that followed? I tend to think the people who read this blog already know about Huddie Ledbetter and don’t need a history lesson attached to my little piece of observation. It’s the perfect interval. He played the guitar in a way that sounded like anyone could do it. It’s a long time since I did any theory…, Put me on the right track thats for sure. Find out when Rock Island Line: The Song That Made Britain Rock is on TV. The intervening (for BD) accidental Act was The Animals, who stole Bob Dylan’s stolen ‘House Of The Rising Sun’ and gave him his ‘wild mercury sound’ a distinctive effect that he had no difficulty in being able to steal. He was so impressed that he learned the tune, added verses and made it a staple of his own repertoire. A waste of time on my part no doubt but somebody’s got to keep reality and the facts alive. I think that Richard just meant that Donegan was emphasizing Direction. And is that just a social/cultural thing about how skiffled is positioned as DIY culture or, as you suggest, could there actually be something specific about the skiffle sound that meant it got through to this generation? Size 10.0 Source 78 . Which I will. comment. "Rock Island Line," which he did in what (for England in the mid-'50s) passed for an authentic American blues style, quickly assumed a life of its own, garnering massive radio play and … If you listen to Corrina Corrina on The Freewheelin’ I think Alan Codd’s theory holds up strong. I rest my case here because I don’t want to overburden my argument with too many indisputable details. How can you critique “Rock Island Line” and not mention Lead Belly, the person whose version of the song was taken by Donegan? Oh and Donegan’s severe limitations allowed him to swing like fuck on “Betty Betty Betty”, the rockingest British record of the 50s with the best guitar solo. The Rock Island Line Lyrics: Now this here's a story about the Rock Island Line / Well the Rock Island Line she runs down into New Orleans / There's a big tollgate down there and you know / … Why was it Donegan, and not Elvis (or even George Melly?!) The Lonnie Donegan Skiffle Group - Rock Island Line (1955) by The Sound Of Shellac, released 30 January 2021 In January 1956, Rock Island Line hit the top ten and the skiffle craze was born. Sorry Richard, respectfully, but you’re wrong. Now known as Chris Barber’s Jazz Band, they secured an offer to make a record for Decca. Versions have been recorded by other artists. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The pop charts began to feature other skiffle artists, mostly following Donegan’s Rock Island Line blueprint by recording songs about the American railroad like Freight Train by Chas McDevitt and Nancy Whiskey. The band was lead by Benjamin Jäger. On the Flattened Third. Raising money in this manner normally carried mixed results but enthusiasm for the railroad turned out to be quite high and by November of 1850 the needed $300,0… It’s as Solid as Rock. He made this departure from his Traditional repertoire because he recognized that both he and Holly had their roots in Contemporary music. The Rolling Thunder Review is a Heavy Rock Skiffle Band. It’s not a ‘flattened third’, which doesn’t exist – it’s a minor third. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The Lonnie Donegan Skiffle Group - Rock Island Line (c1955) by The Sound Of Shellac, released 30 January 2021 These ‘breakdown sessions’ were initiated by Ken Colyer, a trumpet player who sought out his heroes in New Orleans. Why don’t you post my reply of 2 weeks ago referencing Lead Belly? "Rock Island Line" is an American blues/folk song performed and first recorded by Lead Belly in the 1930s. Because he was so familiar with their recordings, he was able to sit in with them, but a white kid playing with black musicians soon drew attention and when he went to renew his visa, he was arrested and held in jail for over two months. 3) Donegan and skiffle have absolutely nothing in common with what Dylan was doing . Later to be followed by the likes of the Clash etc, Sigh .. facts in the age of unreason and revisionist history . Rock Island Line is a new band out of Chicago featuring Ray Mckenzie (Tanqueray Mist), John Maher (CRYSIS BAND), Michael Mejia and the Kleinberg brothers (Fruitful Dave, The Stone Masons). Show More. This programme is not currently available on BBC iPlayer, Rock Island Line: The Song That Made Britain Rock. The Rolling Thunder Review is a Heavy Rock Skiffle Band. So as to not lose their audience, they put down their instruments and picked up guitars, a double bass and a washboard. Rock Island Line: The Song That Made Britain Rock Billy Bragg on how one song - Rock Island Line - kickstarted the skiffle craze in 50s Britain and gave birth to the great British bands … You Gotta Move is arch Skiffle, when everyone puts their instruments down and starts playing music. –. Or I would like to approach the matter from the point of view of my limitations. While watching Billy Bragg’s enjoyable BBC4 documentary on “Rock Island Line” this evening, and listening to his interviewees talking about what it was that made Lonnie Donegan’s recording so compelling back in 1956 that it inspired and facilitated an entire musical revolution, I found myself trying to isolate the qualities that had so inflamed my own imagination as a nine-year-old. It was all Skiffle (Folk) in the process of becoming Electric (Rock). Having broken the ice Bob Dylan is at liberty to introduce Surrealism to the Contours of The Anthology of American Folk Music, as only he could have done. Rock Island Line, Chicago, Illinois. Chris Barber in my own opinion is also deep. (feat. Returning to the UK, his brother pulled together a bunch of musicians to form a band that included Chris Barber on trombone, Monty Sunshine on clarinet and, on banjo, Lonnie Donegan. Both recombined blues, folk, country into something quite startlingly original. The Rock Island Line is a mighty good road – The Rock Island Line is the road to ride – The Rock Island Line is a mighty good road – If you want to ride, you gotta ride it like you find it – Get your ticket at the station of the Rock Island Line. All this is so obvious from the cadences that Richard describes in Rock Island Line that it’s almost a logical conclusion. Rock Island Line. Chris Farlowe. 405 likes. ( Log Out / Mostly original music featuring styles of folk, rock, blues, jazz, country. Chacun a son gout. So it’s interesting to think about why skiffle in particular made this impression. And I do not feel musically qualified to take part in the further discussion of this subject. One directly influenced the cultural landscape of the ’50s; the other indirectly influenced the ’60s by inspiring …. It’s therefore absolutely possible to ‘flatten’ a fifth – which gives you a tritone, which was indeed the symbol of bebop. The tonic is the note you hear several times as he follows “Well, the Rock Island…” — all sung on the tonic — by rising to the flattened third on the next word, sung with a heavy emphasis: “…Line…”. plus-circle Add Review. The Advantage this music has in circumstances like that is that it is Indestructible. It was skiffle that put guitars into the hands of the war babies – and all of skiffle’s influence can be traced back to Rock Island Line. Because everyone has wanted respectively to hear the music of Lonnie Donegan and Bob Dylan. Schoolboys in their thousands picked up guitars and formed skiffle groups. Donegan got as far as creating his own sound version of music he wanted to hear himself. His name was Lonnie Donegan and the song he sang was Rock Island Line. Nancy Whiskey and Shirley Douglas). Donegan had been a fairly anonymous member of Chris Barber's Jazz Band when he participated in a live recording for Decca Records, contributing a pair of folk-style numbers as part of a representative set by the Barber band. Lomax’s driver was the African-American musician who became the celebrated folk singer Lead Belly. Lonnie was a natural front man, with a voice that sounded American. Island is a progressive rock band from Switzerland. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Can’t help still spotting analogies though. ( Log Out / You might want to tell that to Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie, for whom the “flattened fifth” was the symbol of bebop. well, you know who. I hope Guitarslinger has enjoyed listening to this music in his own way as much as I have done. We have taken it for granted that British kids always played guitars and wrote their own songs. How about you take my name off your list!Obtuse, irritating: you must have a very lowthreshold to use these words because someonedisagrees with your point of view. Take away both of them and a Hole opens in Popular Music that could not be filled by anything. Both Bob Dylan and Lonnie Donegan drew their collective inspiration from Leadbelly – Richard Williams doesn’t say this in his first Article. Island was loosely related to Brainticket, only because the band's vocalist Jäger was with a group called Toad, which featured Cottonwoodhill era members of Brainticket. It could not have been literally the first blue note your generation would have heard: traditional jazz, r&b and, rock and roll being three examples of music with a significant youth appeal in the early-mid 1950s and were already around. This might be of interest to some. In the late 1940s, young music fans in the UK began to seek out recordings from the early years of jazz, becoming obsessed with the New Orleans style (known as Trad Jazz) that favoured collective interaction over the prevailing emphasis on soloists. Listening recently to Bob Dylan telling a lie about his early life, I have heard him talking of being in awe of Buddy Holly, and making every effort to go to a Concert by him. There’s supposed to be a 1…. You’re absolutely right. Timings (where shown) are from the start of the programme in hours and minutes, Freight Train The chorus to the old song reads:The Rock Island Line is a mighty good road The Rock Island Line is the road to ride Rock Island Line sounded like nothing else on the radio and it inspired a generation of British youths to pick up guitars and begin a journey that would take them to the top of the American charts. And a band called THE BEATLES, who were skillful Everly Brothers imitators, chose to be named after a group called The Crickets. Anyway, it’s up there now. I know I’m not wasting my time on this because it’s the plain and self evident truth so I don’t have any qualms about convincing nobody.]. The song Rock Island Line was written by Clarence Wilson and was first performed by Rock … The more raucous side of it came out as Little Richard, Bill Haley, and Jerry Lee Lewis, but with the ‘Hillbilly’, Sun, Crickets, bands, you had the essential elements of Skiffle, a hugely overlooked concept art form, undying, timeless, folk, beat, elementary, natural, compelling – that in his own way BOB DYLAN discovered and made some of his Greatest Stuff out of. Informality I think has been said more shortly somewhere. The skiffle craze was short-lived, lasting barely eighteen months, but in that time it inspired a generation of British boys to pick up a guitar and play. Great stuff! From the department of correcting corrections: That’s not how to use a semi-colon. The song Rock Island Line was written by Clarence Wilson and was first performed by Rock Island Colored Booster Quartet. And of course everything I have said depends on what I myself mean by Skiffle. Rock Island Line: Choo Choo Ch'Boogie (LP, Album) Royton Music: ROYLP 75036: Denmark: 1978: Sell This Version: Singles & EPs I didn’t stay a Beatles adherent as the Stones appeared but I’ll always remember that moment. Van Morrison and Bob Dylan have after all played together. Ray Charles did with Gospel Music what Lonnie Donegan and Bob Dylan did with Folk, Dylan more than Donegan. But there was something deeper at work, and I think it was this: a dominant feature of the song’s melody is the interval between the tonic and the flattened third. Those years, as the time when one began to listen to music for the first time, and a most incredible ‘moment’ was taking place easily, naturally, and like an inevitability. Format: CD, Compilation. Of course if anyone hears The Who as a skiffle group they are quite at liberty to do so. They were major stars in Britain until the 60s brought Elvis clones like Adam Faith and then finally the supergroups that Lonnie himself had inspired (Mick Jagger once sang with the Chris Barber band). They had a Common affinity in a submerged and undisclosed Hillbilly sound. I sympathize with people who lack musical education but still think they can appreciate listening to songs. [If you want any further input on this completely self evident story ask Van Morrison. Of course if Gunslinger had not replied to me with what he had said, I would never have said anything more at all. To me the most compelling thing about Lonnie Donegan’s delivery was that it was exciting! To do this song right, you have to start out by telling the story of the Rock Island Line. It’s simply not possible, as a basic theoretical principle, to flatten a third – you might as well call a geometric shape with four sides a triangle, or tea coffee. I just renewed my passport (not sure why, but still). “Honey Just Allow Me One More Chance” is skiffle. A little later on in our musical education, we learnt that the flattened third is one of the two “blue notes” in a major scale (the other being the flattened seventh). Fourths and fifths are the ‘perfect’ intervals, so-called because they don’t signify major or minor. 1) Bob Dylan’s inspiration came from Woodie Guthrie , folk and American blues .. not 50’s R&R ( his R&R phase barely lasted thru HS ) b) What he called his electric band once he switched over was .. plain and simple .. electric … later calling it contemporary roots music, 2) Its interesting that nowhere within your comment do you make mention of the fact that the Beatles for all practical purposes right thru their first four albums were nothing more than an Anglo – Buddy Holly interpretation / pastiche until George Martin’s ( the REAL 5th Beatle though McCartney is loath to admit it ) influence firmly took root. Down the rock island line is a might good road Oh the rock island line is the road to ride The rock island line is a mighty good road Well if you want to ride you gotta ride it like you find it Get your ticket at the station of the rock island line Well I may be right, I may be wrong You're gonna miss me when I'm gone CHORUS Hey you are safe within A collection of the best music documentaries and electrifying performances on BBC Four. In their turn The Rolling Stones exemplified Skiffle in Prodigal Son, Country Honk, Sweet Virginia, and their whole laid back approach – telling it as easy as it is. I don’t think they are too far away from Richard Williams’ theme. For all of us, from everyone who joined a skiffle group, whether they quickly found another hobby or became John Lennon, that note was the portal to everything that followed, for within it was encoded the sound, the flavour, the spirit and the soul of the blues, the music that, in all its forms, would shape a new culture. Jim Carter. A lot of people on this page are unhappy about the absence of a full explanation of the influence of Leadbelly, and the precise explanation of the formative forces brought to bear on early Beatles music. Q. E. D. Not to mention that everybody in the 1950s had their own Skiffle Group in their Home Garages. Mike Cooper. His pal, fourteen-year-old Paul McCartney also saw Donegan and promptly asked his dad to buy him a guitar. 4) The main beneficiary of skiffle was the Who ! Now this here's the story about the Rock Island Line The Rock Island Line she runs down into New Orleasn And just outside of New Orleans is a big toll gate And all the trains that go through the toll gate They gotta pay the man some money But of course, if you got certain things on board You're okay and you don't have to pay the man nothin And just now we see a change comin down the line … The Lonnie Donegan Band. Country: Europe. In this case, since Donegan sings “Rock Island Line” in the key of D, the flattened third is F natural. It was first recorded by Kelly Pace and Group in 1943. ( Log Out / Billy Bragg on how one song - Rock Island Line - kickstarted the skiffle craze in 50s Britain and gave birth to the great British bands of the 60s. Thought I might be in danger of ‘setting somebody off’ by revealing my cherished (theoretical) Dylan/Donegan in parallel moment. And I did lots more! “Rock Island Line” is an A m e ri c a n bl ue s / fol k song performed and first recorded b y L e a d Be l l y in the 1930s. I learned that music which was genuinely exciting was good and I wanted hear more. More importantly, his song had the word ‘rock’ in the title. And consider that Bury My Body by Lonnie Donegan was on the first LP by the Animals. Label: Nervous Records (2) – NERCD 094. (Big Lonnie Donegan Fans.) Lonnie Donegan, Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, can’t get over how important that period was. By that time I think he was calling it Rag Rock (his music), it was what Donegan was playing with on the first time round. To hear him doing it in Skiffle you will have to turn to the Basement Tapes, for which a Motorcycle Crash was necessary. Oh the Rock Island Line it is a mighty good road Oh that Rock Island Line it is the road to ride The Rock Island Line it is a mighty good road But if you want to ride, you got to ride it like you find it Get your ticket at the station for the Rock Island Line Cloudy in the west, looks like rain, Bought me a ticket on a … But I wonder what more there is here about this specific skiffle “blue note” specifically that made it particularly impressionable? The title of this blog is taken from my book The Blue Moment, published by Faber & Faber in 2009, in which I tried to look at how Miles Davis’s Kind of Blue had influenced half a century of modern music, from La Monte Young and Terry Riley through James Brown, John Cale and Brian Eno to Arve Henriksen and the Necks. The mathematical equation both explodes and is explained when you put The House Of The Rising Sun beside the difference between Bob Dylan’s first LP and his going electric. Yeah I always reckoned Donegan was deep like that. In 1933, John A Lomax visited Cummins Prison Farm, south of Little Rock, collecting work songs for the Library of Congress. The whole career of Bob Dylan is steeped in Rock Island Line. On the day of the recording, a group of eight prisoners, led by Kelly Pace, came up to Lomax’s mic and sang Rock Island Line. 1: Studio Sessions for free, and see the artwork, lyrics and similar artists. When Lonnie toured in late 1956, he took skiffle to the masses. http://www.lonniedonegan.com Lonnie Donegan performs "Rock Island Line" live on "Putting on the Donegan" 15/6/1961 About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube … They cut an incendiary version of Rock Island Line as well as another Lead Belly standard, John Henry. During his six-night stand at the Liverpool Empire, thirteen-year-old George Harrison went every night. Thank you, Richard; took me back to Walthamstow Town Hall, sitting in my school blazer, stomping my feet to the Chris Barber Band. Getting feelings about what I feel could be called the feeling. I didn’t post your comment to begin with because I found it not only obtuse but irritating. And I wasn’t “critiquing” “Rock Island Line”, whatever that means. They were forced to go about it the old fashioned way, acting as salesmen going door to door selling stock across the countryside. All these Comments are footnotes to an Essay I once wrote on The Basement Tapes, and some fragmentary Autobiographical writings that contain loose references to the music of Lonnie Donegan and the experience of hearing it for the first time. ( Log Out / But I’ll continue to indulge my fantasies with it, whatever anybody thinks. More special guests to be announced. 78_rock-island-line_leadbelly-paul-howard_gbia0001539a Location USA Restored True Run time 00:02:57 Scanner Internet Archive Python library 1.4.0 Scanningcenter George Blood, L.P. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. But not in Skiffle: in the Language he had learnt from the Animals. [Not enough room to comment on the Humphrey Lyttelton influence here unfortunately.] I hope this will not confuse too many people. The song began its life in the 1920s as a jingle in the workshops of the Rock Island Line railroad in Little Rock, Arkansas. When Donegan covered Holly’s song Love is Strange with a better version of his own he released one of the only true Love Songs ever recorded. I don’t know if Bragg makes this point on his show because we prob won’t see it over here, but Donegan’s “RIL” and Elvis’ first record, “That All Right,” were recorded within days of each other in July 1954. All proceeds go to Lonnie’s grandson’s therapy for … Oo dear, you’ve just given me a reason to submit the last Chapter of my Article: There is little possibility of the conclusion of the Skiffle argument being accomplished in this context. Paul Jones. Change ). There’s a railroad in Louisiana and just outside of New Orleans they used to have a toll and the engineers pull up to the toll booth & blow the whistle then talk to the depot and tell’em what they have on board. The British record industry was scrambling to find artists who might jump on the rock bandwagon, and someone at Decca remembered Lonnie Donegan. Louis Armstrong did it, or had done it, in Knockin’ A Jug (1929), Skiffle has been around for a long time. I think you’ve completely misunderstood what I was writing about, which was the effect of hearing Lonnie Donegan’s record on a generation of English kids. Great piece, though. There is so much in the music of Bob Dylan I have only concentrated on a very small part of it. After the chart success, on both sides of the Atlantic, of his first single, Rock Island Line, Lonnie and his group gradually separated (on good terms) from the Barber band. I am sure that this writer perfectly understands what he is saying and his theory may be impeccable however my 13 year old self just thought it was a great song sung by an artist of whom I immediately became a lifelong fan. It was first released by Lead Belly in 1942. Skiffle provided a nursery for the British invasion of the American charts in the 1960s. You’ve given me something to think about, Paul. When I first read this piece (by Richard the original Article) I thought I’m not qualified to Comment on this. But flattening a major third, which I guess is what you’re talking about here, gives you a minor third; and flattening a minor third gives you a major second. Read about our approach to external linking. yes – your theory could well be right – plus, i’d venture, the influence of johnny parker’s blatant blues/boogie piano playing on humphrey lyttelton’s 1956 uk hit “bad penny blues”. When they gathered in the label’s studios on 13 July 1954, it became apparent that the band did not have enough material to fill an album so it was decided that they should record songs from the band’s popular skiffle breakdown. And there was the urgent informality of Donegan’s vocal delivery, so different from the crooners who dominated the airwaves in the middle 1950s. Listen to Rock Island Line from Chris Barber's Jazz Band's Chris Barber's Jazz Band, Vol. Donegan was on a Tour with Holly and recognized the Crickets as a Skiffle band. Joe Brown. It is not known if John Lennon saw the show, but just two weeks later he had formed his own skiffle group, The Quarrymen. Blowing on their instruments very hard, they found that their lips were numb after half an hour. Of course there was that thrilling rhythm, imitating the gathering momentum of a locomotive. I hope I can be helpful. Episode guide, trailer, review, preview, cast list and where to stream it on demand, on catch up and download. In January 1956, a new pop phenomenon appeared in the UK charts: a British artist playing a guitar. The song is ostensibly about the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad. So taken with this was I that I rushed upstairs and got my younger sister – already in bed – and insisted she come and listen. The closest Donegan got to it on his own part was ‘Muleskinner Blues’ on his Donegan On Stage EP recorded at Conway Hall. I hope I have not infected this page with outrageous unrealistic opinions. Donegan sent a revolutionary message to the youth of Britain: you don’t have to be a trained musician to play this music. Asked what kind of music they were playing, they replied that it was skiffle. He was aghast – at first – at their treating his Folk material as a sort of Rock Music. The next tune which gave me that lightbulb moment was “Love me do” by ‘The Beatles’ heard one Sunday night on a, fade in fade out, Radio Luxembourg. And that F natural, I reckon, is the first blue note most of my generation ever heard, or at least noticed, and its impact was immense. Unfortunately, this ambitious lot did not have the needed funding to begin construction right away, the bane of so many such projects. 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